tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-665598552477308153.post7771990767726964686..comments2024-02-17T19:36:03.936+00:00Comments on male femme: Pharmacist Baffler.Jonathanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17147186679298442560noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-665598552477308153.post-5718939967975959982015-01-04T12:14:12.847+00:002015-01-04T12:14:12.847+00:00Hi Dabrela. Yes, there's some seriously weird ...Hi Dabrela. Yes, there's some seriously weird shit in Deuteronomy – and Leviticus too. But they do seem awfully lenient towards cross-dressing. Other “abominations” (especially miscreant women) are supposed to be put to death, whereas we just get called names. Perhaps I should write to someone about it.Jonathanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17147186679298442560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-665598552477308153.post-32540869886238756442015-01-03T14:43:22.499+00:002015-01-03T14:43:22.499+00:00Thanks for pointing us towards this, Jonathan. I f...Thanks for pointing us towards this, Jonathan. I found the hilarity among the audience a bit distracting (as often on radio comedy shows) but he makes some great points. I never knew that the one-verse condemnation of crossdressing in Deuteronomy was followed by a much longer injunction on "bird nest etiquette"! Dabrelahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06548598422760285018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-665598552477308153.post-34178796622076565332015-01-02T17:31:57.555+00:002015-01-02T17:31:57.555+00:00Thanks Deb.
Although... my “noticing” was retrosp...Thanks Deb.<br /><br />Although... my “noticing” was retrospective really. The “sexuality of transvestites” bit stuck out because it wasn't correct for me personally. And I remembered something else earlier about “no link between the gender you present and the gender you fancy”, which I certainly agree with, but which didn't match up either. Hence...<br /><br />Then again, if I was to list everything I did agree with, I could easily fill several pages. This in particular: “my gender stuff is a source of happiness.” Yes, it is for me too – mostly, anyway. I <em>like</em> being a transvestite :)Jonathanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17147186679298442560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-665598552477308153.post-76744558800179973812015-01-02T14:42:10.339+00:002015-01-02T14:42:10.339+00:00Thanks J!
You are astute in noticing Andrew'...Thanks J! <br /><br />You are astute in noticing Andrew's inconsistency. Obviously intellectual scrupulousness is not a priority on radio comedy shows. xxDeborah Katehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17251775114982350453noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-665598552477308153.post-2872486525043033872015-01-02T08:45:20.799+00:002015-01-02T08:45:20.799+00:00“Overdriven heterosexuality” is quite a standard i...“Overdriven heterosexuality” is quite a standard idea: that transvestites like women so much, we want to look like women. I guess that may be true for some of us – most reasons are true for <em>some</em> people – but to me it seems more like a post-hoc justification, as well as having serious homophobic undertones: “I may wear women's clothes but I'm not gay; I'm actually super-straight.” Hmmmm. It's the “I'm not gay” part which stands out there, I think. Andrew can get away with it himself because he's clearly not the slightest bit homophobic.<br /><br />Re the urge to go beyond clothes, there's a quote by Jack Halberstam (from <em><a href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/Female-Masculinity-Judith-Halberstam/dp/0822322439" rel="nofollow">Female Masculinity</a></em>) which is very relevant here:<br /><br /><em>“Because of its reliance on notions of authenticity and the real, the category of butch realness is situated on the sometimes vague boundary between transgender and butch definition. The realness of butch masculinity can easily tip, in other words, into the desire for a more sustained realness in a recognizably male body.”</em><br /><br />Change “butch” to (male) “femme” etc (see <a href="http://malefemme.tumblr.com/post/43725754553/femme-realness" rel="nofollow">here</a>) and you get the same sort of thing as you wrote. But I wouldn't say that it was “natural” exactly; rather, that there are complicated border territories, and that, yes, the urge can sometimes go further. Or, to qualify that as well, that there becomes the realization that something more (or something <em>different</em>) is required.Jonathanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17147186679298442560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-665598552477308153.post-58282598349078624322015-01-01T21:20:35.720+00:002015-01-01T21:20:35.720+00:00Andrew is very good. Thanks for publicising this.
...Andrew is very good. Thanks for publicising this.<br /><br />'Overdriven heterosexuality' is an interesting theory: I'd like to hear more on this idea.<br /><br />With regard to 'female persona' - and perhaps the whole concept of male femme - isn't it natural that the urge to identify as femme should go beyond clothes to desire a femme body and a (within our culture) fully femme persona, i.e. female ones? xxDeborah Katehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17251775114982350453noreply@blogger.com